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de Nile, 2013-decembro-17

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Nile (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-17 16:47:53

I just saw the phrase "interesas min, ke (some words)" and immediately noticed that the subject here is the, i guess, clause following "ke", made obvious by the use of "min". But what if that clause was the subject? For example, "I love how the nouns each have their own accusative." might be translated as "Mi amas, ke ĉiu substantivo havas sian propran akuzativon.", but should the "ke" bear the accusative if the subject is unclear?

jismith1989 (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-17 21:06:53

It is objective in a way, you can see the dependent clause as being a kind of object (not a subject) of the verb in both cases, but it's not so clear-cut as in the case of plain old nouns and adjectives. Anyway you'd never put an accusative N on a word like ke, there are no exceptions to that. (And because the whole clause is kind of objective you'd really have to put the N on all the words in the clause which would just be ridiculous, amd muddy everything up, so that's why we don't do it, I'd guess.)

The subject in the first sentence is just implied (i.e. there's not really one, it's an impersonal verb like "it's raining" in English: "it"'s the subject but it doesn't really mean anything, the phrase is just equivalent to "rain's falling" ), and in the second sentence it's mi (i.e. I love...).

Also, you can use kiel in place of ke in your last sentence. Possibly it'd be more natural to use ŝati or plaĉi (with an intensifier like tre or -eg), but ami is cool too -- people talk about loving things (as well as just people) in most languages. ridulo.gif

Nile (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-17 21:56:11

jismith1989:The subject in the first sentence is just implied (i.e. there's not really one, it's an impersonal verb like "it's raining" in English: "it"'s the subject but it doesn't really mean anything, the phrase is just equivalent to "rain's falling" )

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Also, you can use kiel in place of ke in your last sentence.
But in the first sentence, isn't it the subject? same as "afero" in "Interesas min afero."? I've read in Wiktionary that "it" is often used to delay the real subject this way.

Yes, but I would think that it chanes the meaning somewhat. "Mi amas, kiel" would be "I like the way/manner in which this happens", but in English, there's the added informal usage of it meaning "the fact that".

jismith1989 (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-17 22:03:18

Nile:But in the first sentence, isn't it the subject? same as "afero" in "Interesas min afero."? I've read in Wiktionary that "it" is often used to delay the real subject this way.

Yes, but I would think that it chanes the meaning somewhat. "Mi amas, kiel" would be "I like the way/manner in which this happens", but in English, there's the added informal usage of it meaning "the fact that".
Mm, maybe you're right. I don't want to hurt my brain thinking about it. ridego.gif Either way, there's no N, which makes it nice and easy anyway.

True, lots of languages use "how" in that way though, so it's not uncommon. But again you're right, ke does the job fine.

sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-18 12:36:32

Mi amas Ken means I love a boy called Ken.

N can be added to o-words, a-words, occasionally -e words, and correlative (table) words that end in 'u' but not to ke or kiel.

Nile (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-18 12:58:15

Thanks.
sudanglo:N can be added to o-words, a-words, occasionally -e words, and correlative (table) words that end in 'u' but not to ke or kiel.
Can't it be added to any correlative that ends in a vowel?

sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-18 22:09:44

Can't it be added to any correlative that ends in a vowel?
Of course. But didn't I cover that with o-words, a-words and occasionally e-words?

You could argue that Kio, Tio etc aren't really o-words, and Kia, Tia etc not really a-words, rather instead just words that end in 'o' and 'a' respectively.

But even if they can't be read as compounds - eg Ki+o, Ti+o etc and Ki+a, Ti+a etc - the o-series and the a-series of the correlatives are in spirit o-words and a-words.

More debatable whether the e-series are in spirit e-words. But tie is quite like hejme.

Parts of speech wise, I suppose the u-series words are o-words.

jismith1989 (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-18 22:15:16

sudanglo:Mi amas Ken means I love a boy called Ken.
ridego.gif That's funny, I like that.

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