robbkvasnak:I totally agree with tempodevalse. The Internet has given Esperanto - and many minorities - "a new lease on life". Through the Internet people with special interests can communicate and help each other.

Internet is good but it won't solve all the problems. Deutsch Welle article said that internet gave Esperanto a pair of wing to soar high.

The Facebook came up with a new app to have the people to connect but I do not know how this app can help in class lesson.

It is free now. What will be next step of upgrading etc. No free lunches in the world. Business has to survive, profit is a part of the resources. Otherwise, the staff would have no meal on the table.

Internet access is very costly in some countries,for example, in Malaysia, one has to pay about 80 US dollars per month to get the fast and unlimited internet. The minimum wage is RM900 and not all factories abide the law and pay that amount.

Do consider more for those who are not in the advanced countries, these people needed Esperanto more than those in the rich country.

How about this.

We have a free website that has all the educational material (textbooks, lectures, articles) but we allow the people who volunteer on the project to advertise their products.

For example, I'm in the process of creating comics (English/Esperanto language) if I were to volunteer on the website I would be able to advertise my comics on the website and perhaps earn some money.

What do you guys think?

Red_Rat_Writer:How about this.

We have a free website that has all the educational material (textbooks, lectures, articles) but we allow the people who volunteer on the project to advertise their products.

For example, I'm in the process of creating comics (English/Esperanto language) if I were to volunteer on the website I would be able to advertise my comics on the website and perhaps earn some money.

What do you guys think?

Not a bad idea. But if the Facebook app info, is correct, only less than 25% of the people in the world can use computer to access internet. As far as I know, in my country and Indonesia, many people especially youngster are using mobile phones to access FB, Wechant, facebook etc

This is the reason why Lernu cannot be popular in Indonesia as the 17,000 islands are not easy to use computer to access to internet.

The website would have to be mobile user friendly and this, according to the info I read, it is not possible to use mobile phone to access all information unless it is a high cost phone.

Besides, the materials online is for references, the local tutors should be considered. This is not only providing jobs to the Esperanto speakers but also having a closed contact in the process of learning.

If this project can take place, millions of Indonesians and Malaysians will be changing their future. Of course, other countries in ASEAN, like Cambodia and Myanmar where accessing to universities for the poor people is a dream never come true.

Elhana2:

se:only less than 25% of the people in the world can use computer to access internet.

40% of world population are children and elderly.

Why do you think the people would learn a language which cannot be applied to anything useful? There are hundreds of real-life applications for English, and only few planned ones for Esperanto. Do you think people like learn languages just in case?

Please do not entertain this jerk, do not reply or argue with this ulo/ulino. Let the respond die the natural cause.

No matter who pay for this jerk to oppose Esperanto. Let it be unless there is a person who can bar the jerk in lernu just like other forums and the jerk cannot further doing it.

se:only less than 25% of the people in the world can use computer to access internet. As far as I know, in my country and Indonesia, many people especially youngster are using mobile phones to access FB, Wechant, facebook etc

This is the reason why Lernu cannot be popular in Indonesia as the 17,000 islands are not easy to use computer to access to internet.

The website would have to be mobile user friendly and this, according to the info I read, it is not possible to use mobile phone to access all information unless it is a high cost phone.

Twenty-five percent of the population is 1.75 Billion, that's a pretty large number.
I don't know what you're thinking of website wise, but I'm thinking of making the website largely text based. That way, we can use a premade template (like from Wordpress) to create it. The template would make it mobile friendly.

se:Besides, the materials online is for references, the local tutors should be considered. This is not only providing jobs to the Esperanto speakers but also having a closed contact in the process of learning.

If this project can take place, millions of Indonesians and Malaysians will be changing their future. Of course, other countries in ASEAN, like Cambodia and Myanmar where accessing to universities for the poor people is a dream never come true.

This will take a while
1. We're going to have to make Esperanto lucrative. People in less developed countries who don't have access to the internet probably aren't going to learn Esperanto unless it raises their chance of getting a job.
2. We would need to set up an network of Esperantists in the desired conutry. Ex. we can't teach without teachers.
3. I don't think personal teaching would be the best idea.

I do not know the infrastructure of Malaysia, but I think the best way for Esperanto to reach non-computer owning persons would be through public libraries. What we would need to have
1. An Esperanto textbook
2. Pleasure reading material in multiple levels (to practice)
3. Applied sciences material, to help them get a job.

Then we would contact libraries and ask them to put the books there (we would need to pay for printing) and hope it spread Esperanto. Perhaps an ad or two would help.
This would be cheaper, and people can do it locally. All we have to do is get the material and get the libraries to agree to it.
However, this isn't going to work for poeple who don't have access to libraries.

Red_Rat_Writer:
1. We're going to have to make Esperanto lucrative. People in less developed countries who don't have access to the internet probably aren't going to learn Esperanto unless it raises their chance of getting a job.
2. We would need to set up an network of Esperantists in the desired conutry. Ex. we can't teach without teachers.
3. I don't think personal teaching would be the best idea.

If there are tangible financial benefits for learning Esperanto then everything else will sort itself out. That is why people learn English (even in poor countries).

I still think an effort to mass-recruit people to Esperanto-Vikilibroj (Wikibooks) or Esperanto-Vikiversitato (Wikiversity) would be quite fruitful. Vikipedio, which is run by the same Wikimedia Foundation, is possibly the biggest single informational resource available in Esperanto (substantial reamining gaps notwithstanding). It's all volunteer-driven and, perhaps more importantly, available under a free license.

If we get enough contributors on board, we can "expand" to other "sister projects" of the foundation: Vikinovajhoj (Esperanto news); Vikivortaro (Open-source Esperanto-Esperanto dictionary); Vikifontaro (Repository for old public domain texts).

The advantages of using the Wikimedia Foundation as a base for an Esperanto "college", or Internet community more generally, are:

1) we have a ready-to-go infrastructure, servers, domain, etc. (including mobile access!), all you need is to create an account once and you can edit all the projects; 2) we largely don't have to worry about technical complications or fundraising; 3) there is the possibility of attracting experienced Esperantists who have heretofore focused all their attention on the flagship project, Vikipedio. The Foundation (usually) offers considerable autonomy to individual language-edition projects.

Disadvantages are: 1) You're still ultimately controlled to the Foundation (not a catastrophic problem; you can always fork the project if the Foundation goes sour); 2) you need to learn a little about wiki-syntax before comfortably editing (you can learn the basics in 15 minutes).

There are not many "Vikimedianoj" on Lernu, so this seems a good place to raise awareness and interest for "Esperanto Wikimedia". I might create some threads in the various language subforums.

Tempodivalse:I still think an effort to mass-recruit people to Esperanto-Vikilibroj (Wikibooks) or Esperanto-Vikiversitato (Wikiversity) would be quite fruitful. Vikipedio, which is run by the same Wikimedia Foundation, is possibly the biggest single informational resource available in Esperanto (substantial reamining gaps notwithstanding). It's all volunteer-driven and, perhaps more importantly, available under a free license.

If we get enough contributors on board, we can "expand" to other "sister projects" of the foundation: Vikinovajhoj (Esperanto news); Vikivortaro (Open-source Esperanto-Esperanto dictionary); Vikifontaro (Repository for old public domain texts).

The advantages of using the Wikimedia Foundation as a base for an Esperanto "college", or Internet community more generally, are:

1) we have a ready-to-go infrastructure, servers, domain, etc. (including mobile access!), all you need is to create an account once and you can edit all the projects; 2) we largely don't have to worry about technical complications or fundraising; 3) there is the possibility of attracting experienced Esperantists who have heretofore focused all their attention on the flagship project, Vikipedio. The Foundation (usually) offers considerable autonomy to individual language-edition projects.

Disadvantages are: 1) You're still ultimately controlled to the Foundation (not a catastrophic problem; you can always fork the project if the Foundation goes sour); 2) you need to learn a little about wiki-syntax before comfortably editing (you can learn the basics in 15 minutes).

There are not many "Vikimedianoj" on Lernu, so this seems a good place to raise awareness and interest for "Esperanto Wikimedia". I might create some threads in the various language subforums.

Good analysis but, the college is much for a small group of students instead the whole wide world to come together. The local tutors still the essential part of it.

Creating jobs for the local is important, other wise, whose is going to learn Esperanto.

If you know Miao Hui, he does many Esperanto courses in Buddhism but the response is poor as the job future is none.

Just feeling sad that the Esperantujo ne even have saome professionals to conduct some courses for the leisure, perhaps.

Yes, if you want the certificate, 75 Euro dollars. Other wise, it is free.

Why they can do it but Esperantujo cannot do it ?

Doesn't it a source of income for the course planners ?

The premise of this entire enterprise is misguided. Why would anyone go to the trouble of learning Esperanto in the first place just to get themselves into an 'Esperanto University'? (which they wouldn't know about anyway because they don't speak Esperanto!!).

Having people translate parts of their work on other courses into Esperanto is artificially shoehorning Esperanto into the mix for no apparent reason other than a group somewhere wanting it to be so. Personally, I'd find it super if Esperanto was accepted as an official language for submitting written work, but the structure has to exist where people marking it, can actually read it properly.

No, first of all Esperanto has to be being taught in the education system prior to university. There is a rather common opinion that it's better to learn Esperanto as an adult (which I personally find foolish); it may explain a few things about why Esperanto is looked at from outside as a toy language. You need to sow it into the culture early if you want to reap results.