johmue:

se:Can we pull the resources together and not waste too much of time

No, we can't and we won't... If you want to get something done, get it done. If you want something to happen, make it happen...

Exactly. I agree with you 100%. A leader should start. They should take the first step. They should be the first on the battlefield.

Manager: "Go do this."
Leader: "I need help getting this done."

Also, it would be more effective to ask people to complete a specific, small, easy to accomplish task.

Finally, there must be motivation. How are people going to be motivated to participate. What do I get for contributing to such a project?

I suppose participation on many threads in Lernu is a "waste of time". I could be using that time to contribute to Vikipedio, or getting an Esperanto club set up at my university, or working on my Esperanto book - which long-term would produce bigger results.

The funny thing is that I have trouble being 100% efficient all the time, and I don't even see that as a positive, but rather as an unfortunate consequence of the fast pace of 21st century life. I'm not in a hurry; I do things at my own pace.

Re: johnmue/sudanglo, from my corner of Esperantujo, "la Movado" seems to not be a "movement" in any normal sense. Most promotion (if you can call it that) of Esperanto is at the grassroots level - just individuals helping other individuals with Esperanto, and casually mentioning to others that they speak it, quietly keeping the language in the public perception. I am acquainted with more self-professed Raumists than finvenkists (the latter seems, in some circles, to be something you would be mildly embarrassed to admit).

Alkanadi:Also, it would be more effective to ask people to complete a specific, small, easy to accomplish task.

Hence my concrete suggestion of signing up with Vikipedio and contributing here-and-there whenever you have the time and interest. Having an extra 10-12 occasional contributors to the project would be greatly beneficial long-term.

Even though I was born and mostly raised in the USA, I am not an (rugged) individualist type person. I function best as a member of a group. In fact, when I am alone for a long stretch of time, my home is a mess because I just don't care. Fortunately, I am married and that keeps me on track.
I think that everything that we produce IN Esperanto and make public is one more step toward a future. I believe that the world is not yet ready for Esperanto but that when the time comes, then our language will be ready - the result of many thousands of people who have contributed to building it and forming it into a useful tool. We are near that goal but we are not there yet.
I do not think that things like 'archaic Esperanto' etc are a waste of time. I see them as people exploring the space that Esperanto occupies, looking in every corner.
Every text book or teaching article, every scientific paper, every novel or poem or theatrical piece written in Esperanto develops the language. That is where NO OTHER auxiliary language has gone up to now - no Volapük, no Novial or Ido, no latine sin flexione - all were starts, yes, tiny buds, but Esperanto has now grown into a vibrant sapling on the way to becoming a mighty oak. We must nourish it, water it, tend to it. That concept combines raŭmismo and finvenkismo. They are not either or choices.
I am ready to work in a team to build what Se suggests. But I am not a leader.

Tempodivalse:

Alkanadi:Also, it would be more effective to ask people to complete a specific, small, easy to accomplish task.

Hence my concrete suggestion of signing up with Vikipedio and contributing here-and-there whenever you have the time and interest. Having an extra 10-12 occasional contributors to the project would be greatly beneficial long-term.

I've often wondered how difficult it is to get started in contributing to Vikipedio. I wouldn't be much for creating content, but I am more than capable of translating existing English articles into Esperanto. Some of the more engineering-technical articles would be exercises in looking up and learning domain-specific words in Esperanto.

se:

Christa627:

se: This petition receive bad support.

Oh, I wasn't even aware it had been made yet! So maybe it's not so much an issue of bad support, as of just not enough people knowing about it.

I signed the petition now .

Dankon, Thank you. In fact, it was posted in the Esperanto version of lernu, hoping more Esperantists can sign it but ...

What's the thread called, and what subforum is it in? I'm not succeeding in finding it.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_president...

Christa627:What's the thread called, and what subforum is it in? I'm not succeeding in finding it.

It is under the news section.

But many still think kongreso is more important than the field work. Each Universala Kongreso has passed the resolution. But I did not know where they (UEA and organiser) sent the resolution to. Perhaps, it is shelf in the cupboard.

Dankon cxiuj

It is disheartening to read that some still cannot think out of the box. This thread is not similar to the college thread.

Perhaps, it is my bad English and the one should be blamed is University of London external programme. It should not accept me as the student two decades ago.

I gave talks and meeting with the businessmen. The questions are:

1. What can I do after learning Esperanto ? Can I continue my further studies ?

2. Can you get lecturers for the college if we invest one. It looks like no one is doing a professional course in Esperanto. Only language.

My Esperanto news in ASEAN took off sometime ago, the helpers come and go. I have no complains at all. Everyone needs to feed the family, they cannot stay long in front of the computer to write or translate the news report. The group is merely for the news about Asean. It can be translated from all languages into Esperanto but strictly news about ASEAN.

I do not forced or devigu anyone to take part in this college project, It is very much a volunteering work. What your work belongs to you and the copy right still belongs to you. You can use your money to build the site.

This project is much of the online library or information center for the Esperanto college students or those who want to improve themselves. But nothing can be found online, only Esperanto congress and Esperanto congress but one which I like much is the KAEST, at least it is not a yearly basis, which would use up a lot of resources like the Universala Kongreso.

Malaysia Esperanto Studies Group does not sit in front of the computer. I even can not have that luck as my internet traffic allowance is 300MB per day. It took us a wild to complete the 30 hours of Esperanto project.

Certainly, there should be a leader and the followers, however, this project is not reached that level yet. It is a coordinator would be best. I can be that if it follows the similar pattern of Esperanto news in ASEAN. I can get some of the friends to be the admin of the FB group too if I am not able to do it.

A good leader is vital but bad followers would not go too far. Bad leader can be changed by the good followers.

I do not want to dwell with how much work I have done in these few years since my contact with Esperanto.

If no further participants see the same way as I am, I rest the case here and do not want to pursuit further. Time is money. I do not have that much of money to be idle in front of the computer.

Once again thank you for your support and certainly, I enjoyed the discussion.

Because of your internet situation, it wouldn't make sense for you to do that.
I guess that's good reason enough.

Okay, so what you want to do is make a website that features of bunch of bloggers that collectively blog in Esperanto.
I do not think it's a good idea

1. Niches.
Most bloggers fit into a niche (or a small interest area). Creating a website featuring bloggers of different niches might confusing and will get very little traffic. People into gardening don't want to read about videogames. People into cartoons don't want to hear about how a person got a new cat, etc

2. Bloggers want to make a name for themselves (for the most part) and don't want to be part of a blog of bloggers. They want to be individuals and have their own site. They have a brand to promote, and losing their individuality won't help it.

3. Some bloggers write blogs for income, whether it is ad revenue or they're selling products on their website. If they move to another website, then they lose that source of income. Even if they post of both websites, then that means less people going to their website. Trying to monetize the site creates to many complications (unless experienced in that area).

4. Risk.
Bloggers don't want to invest time into something that may not succeed. We would have to get big name bloggers on board to do this, and they probably wouldn't want to.

The only way something akin to this working is if at least two big names in the Esperanto blogosphere teamed to create a project.

(Now to stop being negative)
There're similar projects that I believe would yield better success
1. Niche sites.
For example, videogames. Videogames are fun and popular, yet we don't have the Esperanto equivalent of IGN and what not. This could be used for other niches like cartoon and gardening and what not.

2. A website/twitter that dedicates to featuring articles and new is Esperanto. That way, all the blogs are being promoted and people get to read them, and this requires no work from the bloggers themselves and not a huge investment of the other end as well.

3. Creating a culture that encourages guest posting.
I do not know the atmosphere of the Esperanto blogosphere, but if this isn't being done then this could be an opportunity. Guest posts are a great way to introduce people to other blogger's sites and a way for bloggers to network. This would strengthen the community and make Esperanto stronger. How it'll get done requires another discussion.

Well, I hope this contributes to the conversation.

se:If anyone can use a few hours to go through the lernu forum or facebook groups, one can see the esperanto speakers are wasting too much time on minute items.

People you point to they search for educational entertainment. They don't waste time. Furthermore, don't expect some motivation by default to spread Esperanto offline. Someones neighbourhood onsite is not same anonym like some Internet forum. So, of course people At the Net act different than Off the Net.