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Breto (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-25 04:12:32
Tempodivalse:I dunno about most...over in the Caucasian languages you run into things like Georgian's gvprckvni "You peel us" (he said, relying entirely on Wikipedia for the word and translation, due to a total lack of familiarity with Caucasian languages, or words starting with 8 consonants in a row).
My 1st language is Russian, which is probably the most cluster-friendly of the major world languages, with the possible exception of Polish (e.g., kontrprimer, vsprygnut' ...).
Tempodivalse (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-25 04:18:32
Breto:Is that the actual phonetic representation of the word, or just a transliteration from the Georgian alphabet? Some languages don't indicate all the vowels in their spellings, but preserve them in speech - like Arabic, and to a smaller degree Serbo-Croat (Srpski!Tempodivalse:I dunno about most...over in the Caucasian languages you run into things like Georgian's gvprckvni "You peel us" (he said, relying entirely on Wikipedia for the word and translation, due to a total lack of familiarity with Caucasian languages, or words starting with 8 consonants in a row).
My 1st language is Russian, which is probably the most cluster-friendly of the major world languages, with the possible exception of Polish (e.g., kontrprimer, vsprygnut' ...).

Also, I was thinking of the "major" world languages, e.g. the chief UN languages, languages commonly found in diverse locations ... not sure I'd classify Georgian as "major" ... I know there are lots of less internationally popular languages that show a greater affinity toward consonants

Tempodivalse (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-25 04:28:36
Russian is fairly easy to pronounce, actually xD. Fortunately it doesn’t abuse consonants like Polish does. I put Russian on pair with Spanish when it comes to clusters, though Russian may have a bit more clusters.Interesting - in my experience Spanish is almost as averse to consonants as Italian.
I think where Russian consonant clusters are found often is when you pronounce one of the one-letter prepositions k, v, s between words with consonants. This results in oddities like kljuch v dveri, park v Krasnojarske, which tend to flow together as one word in fluent speech. You never see this sort of thing in Spanish or Italian.
nornen (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-26 16:45:04
Tempodivalse:And you are completely right. Spanish phonotactics do in no way compare to Russian. Spanish is even more restrictive than Italian [1]. The only permitted clusters in the onset are muta cum liquida and fl- and fr-. The only permitted cluster in the coda is -ns. So the longest resulting cluster is of four letters: -nstr- but only between syllables as in cons.truc.ción for example.Russian is fairly easy to pronounce, actually xD. Fortunately it doesn’t abuse consonants like Polish does. I put Russian on pair with Spanish when it comes to clusters, though Russian may have a bit more clusters.Interesting - in my experience Spanish is almost as averse to consonants as Italian.
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[1] Italian allows initial s+muta (s impura) as in "scuo.la" or "stru.ttu.ra". In Spanish you have to put the s in the coda of another syllable: "es.cue.la" and "es.truc.tu.ra".
Kirilo81 (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-26 21:10:54
Suzumiya:Fortunately it doesn’t abuse consonants like Polish does.sześć wa[rb]stw pstr[/b]ej tkaniny "six layers of colorful fabric"
w pstrągu "in the trout"
Which abuse?

Breto (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-27 01:30:11
Tempodivalse:Is that the actual phonetic representation of the word, or just a transliteration from the Georgian alphabet? Some languages don't indicate all the vowels in their spellings, but preserve them in speech - like Arabic, and to a smaller degree Serbo-Croat (Srpski!I can't say for certain. I'm not really familiar with Georgian, either. I just know that Caucasian languages are known for being heavily consonantal, and Georgian was the only one I could think of offhand at the time. The example I used was one of two examples used in the English-language Wikipedia article, but the pronunciation was not given specifically. The link is here, if it helps:) - which is why I ask (I know nothing about Georgian).
Also, I was thinking of the "major" world languages, e.g. the chief UN languages, languages commonly found in diverse locations ... not sure I'd classify Georgian as "major" ... I know there are lots of less internationally popular languages that show a greater affinity toward consonants
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_language#...
But you're right, Georgian may not qualify as a major world language. I read right over that word in your post without seeing it.