First of all, to Erinja: I ask forgiveness for the vile namecalling. I should have kept that particular opinion to myself.

Now then

rikforto:As anticipated, you have fallen back on a narrative of religious discrimination.

yes, because that IS what this is all about, regardless of the falsehoods that others may convince themselves of.

rikforto:Let me say, emphatically, that if you put your religion ahead of the people you interact with, then you cannot be surprised when those same people are affronted by being a low priority for you.

So sorry if God and obeying His will is more important to me than the wishes of other (sinful and imperfect, like me) human beings. Rational, non-bigoted people understand this.

rikforto: When you habitually fail to take into account how others feel, you can scarcely pretend to be affronted when they reciprocate.

I don't fail to take that into account. It's just that God and His will are more important.

orthohawk1:

rikforto:Let me say, emphatically, that if you put your religion ahead of the people you interact with, then you cannot be surprised when those same people are affronted by being a low priority for you.

So sorry if God and obeying His will is more important to me than the wishes of other (sinful and imperfect, like me) human beings. Rational, non-bigoted people understand this.

rikforto: When you habitually fail to take into account how others feel, you can scarcely pretend to be affronted when they reciprocate.

I don't fail to take that into account. It's just that God and His will are more important.

I'm glad we can agree that God is more important to you than the people you interact with. Now, if you could put those preferences into action and spend more time with Him and less with us, you will be more closely following your faith and we'll all be much happier.

rikforto:

orthohawk1:

rikforto:Let me say, emphatically, that if you put your religion ahead of the people you interact with, then you cannot be surprised when those same people are affronted by being a low priority for you.

So sorry if God and obeying His will is more important to me than the wishes of other (sinful and imperfect, like me) human beings. Rational, non-bigoted people understand this.

rikforto: When you habitually fail to take into account how others feel, you can scarcely pretend to be affronted when they reciprocate.

I don't fail to take that into account. It's just that God and His will are more important.

I'm glad we can agree that God is more important to you than the people you interact with. Now, if you could put those preferences into action and spend more time with Him and less with us, you will be more closely following your faith and we'll all be much happier.

Pretty sassy for one so young. As usual thee spews ignorance. Thee knows nothing of "how much time I spend with Him" so stop talking like thee does.

orthohawk1:First of all, to Erinja: I ask forgiveness for the vile namecalling. I should have kept that particular opinion to myself.

This is getting more hilarious every day. Now we have arrived at the point, where calling someone a "kike bitch" is an "opinion". Oh no, nobody was using insults and slurs, you were just voicing your educated opinion.
If you have a problem with "kikes" and "bitches" why art thou still bitching around in a forum moderated by such a person (according to your "opinion", not mine)?

And hasn't there been some rules for christians that they should not talk shit about other persons and respect all creatures of God and love their neighbor and so on? And to be gentle in general? And not to be complete asses?

I am really intrigued where this whole thread is going to lead.

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Fun fact: Without lernu I (and according to this thread at least one more person) would have never known that the word "kike" existed and what it meant. Lernu is indeed for learning.

nornen:

orthohawk1:First of all, to Erinja: I ask forgiveness for the vile namecalling. I should have kept that particular opinion to myself.

This is getting more hilarious every day. Now we have arrived at the point, where calling someone a "kike bitch" is an "opinion". Oh no, nobody was using insults and slurs, you were just voicing your educated opinion.
If you have a problem with "kikes" and "bitches" why art thou still bitching around in a forum moderated by such a person (according to your "opinion", not mine)?

And hasn't there been some rules for christians that they should not talk shit about other persons and respect all creatures of God and love their neighbor and so on? And to be gentle in general? And not to be complete asses?

I am really intrigued where this whole thread is going to lead.

and yet more mockery when I try to do the right thing. Says more about thee than me, dude.

Thee is dismissed.

orthohawk1:

nornen:

orthohawk1:First of all, to Erinja: I ask forgiveness for the vile namecalling. I should have kept that particular opinion to myself.

This is getting more hilarious every day. Now we have arrived at the point, where calling someone a "kike bitch" is an "opinion". Oh no, nobody was using insults and slurs, you were just voicing your educated opinion.
If you have a problem with "kikes" and "bitches" why art thou still bitching around in a forum moderated by such a person (according to your "opinion", not mine)?

And hasn't there been some rules for christians that they should not talk shit about other persons and respect all creatures of God and love their neighbor and so on? And to be gentle in general? And not to be complete asses?

I am really intrigued where this whole thread is going to lead.

and yet more mockery when I try to do the right thing. Says more about thee than me, dude.

Thee is dismissed.

Uhhhhh...no, I think apologizing only for sharing your sexism and antisemitism and not for, you know, holding it says a good deal about you. One of the surest ways to not get mocked for holding literally medieval views would be to not hold them, though, yes, not having voiced them and half-heartedly backpedaling helps too.

Ortho, I hope you realise the jig's up. You're embarrassing yourself in front of everyone - apologising for the slur, but clearly not for being antisemitic in the first place.

If you so dislike the administrators, and the way the forum is operated, I wonder why you insist on remaining - there are plenty of other Esperanto venues on the Internet.

But right now you're wasting your time and everyone else's, and you're continuing to tarnish your reputation. I'm trying to help you out - you're in a hole, stop digging.

I never thought I would be asking this question, but life is too short to waste on reading some things.
Question: Is there any way I can make all posts by someone invisible to myself?

tommjames:

Polaris:Tomm, nobody asked you what Erin thought.

Sorry I'm not getting you. You're suggesting people should keep their mouth shut if questions are not directly addressed to them? "Nobody asked you for your opinion" is just another way of telling someone to shut up and mind their own business, is that what you're telling me here?

Tomm...I may, indeed, be getting annoyed over something I'm misreading into your comments. There is no tone of voice on the Internet, and I may be taking umbrage over an attitude that I'm reading in or something I'm taking the wrong way. These are the latest comments you've made to me in multiple posts:

tommjames:Erinja already clarified that it wasn't use of 'ci' per se that she'd find offensive, but use of it after she has expressed a wish to be addressed as 'vi'. Isn't it easy to understand why this might be the case?

…I'm not here to make judgements about people's personal preferences. Asking to be addressed with the correct pronoun is not exactly an extravagant or unreasonable request, so it's not something I would feel the need to drill down into, personally.

I'm unsure why you continue to press this point when it has already been clarified

But in any case I cannot speak for others so there's little I can do to help you drill down into that topic.

I would think that erinja has her reasons for wishing to be addressed with the correct pronoun…

Perhaps PM her if you're that curious about it?

The underlying gist of every one of these comments seemed to be "Erin said she prefers to be called "vi"--end of story; you really have no business asking anything else." Well, I DID want to know what she (or anybody else) would find so offensive about "ci" that someone would make an issue of it with somebody who, for religious or any other reason, habitually uses "ci" with everyone. You essentially seemed to be telling me "she said she's offended...that's all you need to know". Then when we got into "there's little I can do to help you...Erin has her reasons...perhaps PM her if you're that curious", etc., I started to get a little ticked off at what seemed to be a presumptuous overstep. Again, however, maybe I was reading more in than what was really intended. I'm sorry that my response to you came off as curt.

Along the way in this discussion, however, we got a lot of information about possible connotations of the word "ci"---connotations that I was previously unaware of. While we may be unable to nail down precisely the original connotations (were there ever any?), we do know for certain that "ci" never was intended to be a singular alternative for the word "vi", that it by no means is the equivalent of yesteryear's "thou" or "thee" (which were in common parlance), and that "ci" could be perceived as overly intimate, servile, or condescending. That's fascinating. We've also learned that "ci" is intended to give a particular special "flavor" to an expression--one that we often intimate by using Old English's "thou" or "thee" nowadays--and one that was never intended for everyday use. I feel like I've learned a great deal out of the discussion, side-line dust-ups not-with-standing. Thank you to everyone who provided elucidating information on what is, admittedly, a rather obscure subject.

Polaris:
Along the way in this discussion, however, we got a lot of information about possible connotations of the word "ci"---connotations that I was previously unaware of...

Thank you, Polaris - I can only agree with you! This way or another, this thread has been pretty educative for me indeed.