Mesaĝoj: 17
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Miland (Montri la profilon) 2015-oktobro-12 07:32:49
Vestitor (Montri la profilon) 2015-oktobro-12 10:05:34
Miland:When reading we can guess at the meanings of words in context, and when writing we can revise things we have written. However in speaking we have to find the right words immediately. For this reason, in my view conversational fluency is the acid test of our command of a language.100% true. Building your own sentences on-the-fly is the hardest thing to do in any foreign language.Like any skill it takes practice.
Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2015-oktobro-12 14:09:03
Vestitor:For this reason, in my view conversational fluency is the acid test of our command of a language.
100% true. Building your own sentences on-the-fly is the hardest thing to do in any foreign language..I agree.
We are slow in our native language as well when we try to say something out of the norm. The reason why we are fluent in our native language (the majority of the time) is because our brain has memorized tons of meta data regarding word order and sentence structure.
Tempodivalse (Montri la profilon) 2015-oktobro-12 17:39:39
Sudanglo, in my view, if a person has a strong grasp of what constitutes good Esperanto, but speaks very un-spontaneously or clumsily, this person simply isn't proficient yet. I don't think practical ability and theoretical knowledge can be separated in the assessment of a speaker's proficiency.
A consquence of this viewpoint is that very few Esperantophones are truly "fluent" or "proficient". If you go to a typical local or regional EO-meetup, you will find that most speakers have a decidedly poorer vocabulary and slower speech rate than you would normally expect from a "fluent" speaker of a language.
Vestitor (Montri la profilon) 2015-oktobro-12 21:46:53
Tempodivalse:Rote memorisation of sentences seems less helpful than understanding how sentences fit together, and then internalising that knowledge so that it can be accessed at a moment's notice for spontaneous conversation.I think you may have misunderstood the point that even in our native languages there are a lot of internalised patterns that support the creative use of advanced usage.
Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2015-oktobro-13 06:50:00
Tempodivalse:Rote memorisation of sentences seems less helpful than...People hate rote memorisation because it is difficult.
I don't find it difficult but it is time consuming. It requires a lot of repetition. Memorising something causes it to really sink into your brain. It really gets absorbed.
I think you would be surprised at how much you can memorise if you spend about 10 minutes a day. If you need tips to make it easy on you, then let me know. I have some great tips that work really well.
RiotNrrd (Montri la profilon) 2015-oktobro-13 17:23:32
Read for fun. Write to learn.
And memorize to put yourself to sleep. Memorization comes automatically to those who write. It is inefficient to make it a separate activity. I strongly suggest using the time you are using for memorization for writing things instead. You will learn more, and faster. Writing (correctly) is much more difficult than rote memorization.
Like JFK sort of said, don't do the things because they're easy. Do the things because they're hard.
If you don't find yourself feeling some frustration* while you are doing it, you aren't doing it right.
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* Some. Don't go nuts with it or you'll burn out.