MiMalamasLaAnglan:
I never said people should use this, I just wanted to share my idea with other Esperantistoj.

The problem is this sort of thing tends to rile Esperantists. Esperanto seems to attract revision and suggestions like no other language.

Vestitor:

MiMalamasLaAnglan:
I never said people should use this, I just wanted to share my idea with other Esperantistoj.

The problem is this sort of thing tends to rile Esperantists. Esperanto seems to attract revision and suggestions like no other language.

Maybe a dative case would be nice... The problem is that I don't like noun cases.

Maybe a dative case would be nice... The problem is that I don't like noun cases.

This is the same issue as before. As soon as you change Esperanto, you create something that is not Esperanto. It does not matter what the change is, or how well you argue your case.

Going back to your original suggestion. I would rather remove the unneccessary conjuations from natural languages than add new conjugations to Esperanto.

If I said "I be...", "He be...", "They be..." any native English speaker would understand me, even though it is bad English. So the conjugations of "to be" are really not needed.

david_uk:

Maybe a dative case would be nice... The problem is that I don't like noun cases.

This is the same issue as before. As soon as you change Esperanto, you create something that is not Esperanto. It does not matter what the change is, or how well you argue your case.

Going back to your original suggestion. I would rather remove the unneccessary conjuations from natural languages than add new conjugations to Esperanto.

If I said "I be...", "He be...", "They be..." any native English speaker would understand me, even though it is bad English. So the conjugations of "to be" are really not needed.

For the millionth time, I didn't want anyone to use my system (including me), I just wanted to show my idea to other Esperanto speakers!

MiMalamasLaAnglan:
For the millionth time, I didn't want anyone to use my system (including me), I just wanted to show my idea to other Esperanto speakers!

For the millionth time what's the point of demonstrating something you want nobody (including yourself) to use?

Well, usually the change proposed was to take the accusative away... But it were when the word order wasn't accepted, by now most languages on wikipedia say that esperanto is subject-verb-object. So there is no real need for accusative, anymore...

That let me a little perplexed...

Vestitor:

MiMalamasLaAnglan:
For the millionth time, I didn't want anyone to use my system (including me), I just wanted to show my idea to other Esperanto speakers!

For the millionth time what's the point of demonstrating something you want nobody (including yourself) to use?

Just to show it to everyone!

Roch:Well, usually the change proposed was to take the accusative away... But it were when the word order wasn't accepted, by now most languages on wikipedia say that esperanto is subject-verb-object. So there is no real need for accusative, anymore...

That let me a little perplexed...

Yeah, that's right. I hope the accusative goes away...

I say this with trepidation, because I am not a super advanced Esperantist, but being annoyed by the accusative -n is often a sign of a beginner. Wanting to fiddle with the structure of the grammar is also a sign.

I recall a post written by Erinja where she said that when people come to Esperanto they suggest changes in a way they would never suggest if they were learning say German or Spanish. Those two languages are as they are, the national languages of several countries and the learner new to them learns them as they are.

With Esperanto there's this idea that it's fair game for any tin-pot linguist to have a go at meddling with it. Esperanto's main structure is more-or-less fixed. What's there is what you learn when you learn Esperanto. It is not a free-for-all. It may be a gift to the world, but unlike e.g. the Linux kernel you can't go about taking it and making your own 'flavour'.

Oh, it might have not been a matter of beginners, what I noticed is that wikipedias of many languages finally put its foot down to say esperanto is SVO!

The earliest adopters of Esperanto used the subject-verb-object order used by almost all European languages. But thanks to the existence of the accusative and "various inflectional devices", plus the fact that the 16 rules in the Fundamento give little guidance in regards to word order, the French Esperantist Pierre Janton argues "that Esperanto syntax allows Japanese speakers to render 'the dog saw the cat' as 'la hundo la katon vidis' or Arabic speakers to say 'vidis la hundo la katon', just as they would in their own languages."[1]

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Esperanto:_A_Complet...