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juliaH (プロフィールを表示) 2012年4月26日 7:05:33
Somewhere I read that there is a semantic difference between using the possessive adjectives predicatively with and without the preceding article, as in: "La libro estas la mia" and "La libro estas mia", but that both were grammatically correct. The construction with the article would single out a certain specific book that is mine, and without the article one that is still a specific one, but just one among many or one that is not so important or special. Is this correct? And if it is, where can I find some material on the topic? (NB. I am not referring to the difference between using the possessive adjective to modify some noun, as in "Mi ŝatas mian novan libron", and using it predicatively, as in "La nova libro estas la mia".
Best,
Julia
Bruso (プロフィールを表示) 2012年4月26日 12:11:50
juliaH:This rings a bell with me, too. I thought it was Jordan's "Being Colloquial" but I looked there and found nothing. I did find an old Helen Fryer book that says there's no difference.
Somewhere I read that there is a semantic difference between using the possessive adjectives predicatively with and without the preceding article, as in: "La libro estas la mia" and "La libro estas mia", but that both were grammatically correct.
Anyone?
Mustelvulpo (プロフィールを表示) 2012年4月26日 13:40:02
RiotNrrd (プロフィールを表示) 2012年4月26日 20:08:16
I'm not saying it IS wrong - it might be perfectly fine (and I don't have time right now to go hunt down the truth of the matter). But it is definitely a construction I personally wouldn't use.
Hyperboreus (プロフィールを表示) 2012年4月26日 20:10:15
tommjames (プロフィールを表示) 2012年4月26日 23:42:53
juliaH:Is this correct? And if it is, where can I find some material on the topic?Yes it is correct, there is a small difference, which the following examples from this section in PMEG should make clear:
PMEG:Tiu ĉi libro estas mia. Ĝi estas unu el miaj libroj — nedifina senco.
Tiu ĉi libro estas la mia. Ĝi estas tiu konata libro, kiu apartenas al mi — difina senco.
juliaH (プロフィールを表示) 2012年4月27日 4:37:23
tommjames:Thank you so much everyone! That would probably settle the matter, and I think that paragraph was actually where I saw it originally.juliaH:Is this correct? And if it is, where can I find some material on the topic?Yes it is correct, there is a small difference, which the following examples from this section in PMEG should make clear:
PMEG:Tiu ĉi libro estas mia. Ĝi estas unu el miaj libroj — nedifina senco.
Tiu ĉi libro estas la mia. Ĝi estas tiu konata libro, kiu apartenas al mi — difina senco.
beroal (プロフィールを表示) 2017年6月14日 12:06:38
45. Possessive adjectives may be used predicatively, as “the book is mine,” or may modify some word or words not expressed, as “mine are large.” Instead of having special forms, like English mine, yours, hers, etc., Esperanto uses the regular possessive adjectives preceded by the article:If "mia" and "granda" are adjectives, why aren't we allowed to use them in the same form? It seems like an irregularity.
La granda libro estas la mia. The large book is mine.
La via estas granda, la miaj estas belaj. Yours is large, mine are beautiful.
nana123 (プロフィールを表示) 2017年6月20日 3:33:39
raffadalbo (プロフィールを表示) 2017年6月20日 11:56:49
PMEG:Tiu ĉi libro estas mia. Ĝi estas unu el miaj libroj — nedifina senco.
Tiu ĉi libro estas la mia. Ĝi estas tiu konata libro, kiu apartenas al mi — difina senco.
beroal:If "mia" and "granda" are adjectives, why aren't we allowed to use them in the same form? It seems like an irregularity.Consider another adjective, for example taŭga (fit):
Tiu ŝuo estas taŭga por vi - This shoe is fit for you (but many other shoes are as well).
Tiu ŝuo estas la taŭga por vi - This shoe is the one that is fit for you (all other shoes around are not)
Maybe a small irregularity is that in Esperanto we do not put "la" in front of "mia" in sentences like mia ŝuo.
But this is reasonable, because in this case "mia" (or "tiu", "ĉiu" ktp) replaces the article - but no article is to be replaced when "mia" is alone after "estas".