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Esperanto characters and the computer

de quieta, 16 de junio de 2012

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Idioma: English

tommjames (Mostrar perfil) 19 de junio de 2012 09:22:16

The other advantage to using the x-system is it doesn't limit you to particular layout options. I used a special Esperanto keymap years ago but I found it a real pain, constantly having to switch back and forth between the British keymap where I know where all the shifted symbols are, and the Esperanto keymap (arbitrarily based on the US layout), where I don't.

Using Alt-gr was a bit better (and yes, it's extremely easy to set that up in Linux), but I found the 3-key combos when entering an uppercase letter kind of cumbersome. It also overrides any existing Alt-gr characters that may already be present for the current keymap. All in all the X-system just flows so much better for me.

Chainy (Mostrar perfil) 19 de junio de 2012 10:11:25

tommjames:I used a special Esperanto keymap years ago but I found it a real pain, constantly having to switch back and forth between the British keymap where I know where all the shifted symbols are, and the Esperanto keymap (arbitrarily based on the US layout), where I don't.
I currently use a specific Esperanto keyboard layout that is based on the British one. So, I only switch keyboard if I'm doing a lot of typing in English, so that it's easier to access Q, W , Y, X etc... - although with my Esperanto keyboard you can in fact type these by holding down Alt, which is handy if you just have to type them occasionally.

I made the keyboard myself with the "Ukelele" programme for Apple Mac computers. I started making other Esperanto keyboard layouts for the Mac based on other layouts, such as QWERTZ, AZERTY etc, but I don't know if there is in fact any demand for this.

I started a little Google website about how I made the keyboard etc - please be warned that it's nowhere near finished (I'm not sure yet if it's worth finishing!). Here are some excerpts from it:

Pictures of my current layout: Plena Esperanta Klavaro

And here's an explanation of how I created an x-system keyboard (the principles are the same for creating the above Esperanto-specific layout): Ukelele

It's not very difficult to make these keyboard layouts, but I suppose there might in fact be various types of AZERTY and QWERTZ keyboards, depending on the language and country etc, so it might require making quite a few layouts to please everybody!

tommjames:
Using Alt-gr was a bit better (and yes, it's extremely easy to set that up in Linux), but I found the 3-key combos when entering an uppercase letter kind of cumbersome.
I completely agree. This three key method is an absolute nightmare! Best avoided if you really intend to do proper typing in Esperanto.

tommjames (Mostrar perfil) 19 de junio de 2012 10:53:39

Chainy:It's not very difficult to make these keyboard layouts
Yes that's true, good point. I actually tried this out too, with some program called Keyboard Creator or something like that (on Windows). On that occasion I think I was mainly put off by having to learn to use a new layout ridulo.gif But I still got irritated with the switching, when I needed to use the non-Esperanto characters like X, Y etc, when flicking to another program to type something in English or typing in English in among Esperanto text.

bartlett22183 (Mostrar perfil) 19 de junio de 2012 19:35:24

erinja:I barely even notice it when I read x-method text versus text with the appropriate letters.
Perhaps I just haven't read enough Esperanto text (I have probably read fewer than a thousand pages), but I find h-modo to be jarring and x-modo to be just plain plug ugly. In fact, until modern utf-8 tools came along (both for reading and writing), the supersigned letters and their ersatz surrogates h-modo (Fundamenta or not) and x-modo were my greatest objection to Esperanto entirely. Now with current tools they are not so much of a problem.

RiotNrrd (Mostrar perfil) 19 de junio de 2012 22:52:29

I personally find the h-system just awful. I find it so unpleasant to read that I will usually skip anything written in it.

I find the x-system to be ugly, but (for some reason) nowhere near as unpleasant as the h-system. I have no difficulty reading the x-system.

Naturally, if given the choice, I prefer using the real letters.

erinja (Mostrar perfil) 20 de junio de 2012 00:35:54

The x system is ugly, no doubt. But I find it easier to read than the h system (no doubts as to whether an h is a "real h" or just part of a digraph).

I read a lot of x-method Esperanto, in e-mail or whatever, I probably have some exposure to it every single day, so that's probably why I am so used to it. I would perhaps be less bothered by the h method if I saw it more, but I know only a few people who seem to use it.

beroal (Mostrar perfil) 12 de junio de 2017 08:54:30

Is there a manual on this IBus "x-sistemo"? For example, how do I type a letter without the circumflex? After I type a letter, it is not shown because the computer awaits "x" or a next letter. But I have nothing to type further.

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