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Mustelvulpo (프로필 보기) 2014년 1월 10일 오후 1:56:41
SolidTux:So if provi means: to try, to attempt, to test, to try outTo me, "elprovi" indicates a more serious or thorough approach, perhaps involving multiple attempts or tests. "Provi" indicates a more general or casual approach or perhaps a one-time attempt or test.
and elprovi means: to try out, to test
In what instance would I choose one word over the other?
kaŝperanto (프로필 보기) 2014년 1월 10일 오후 5:17:29
Mustelvulpo:I think I've seen that "el-" is supposed to convey that sense of thoroughness/completeness of action. That does leave me confused on elpensi - to think up, invent. Unless you take "think up" or "invent" as being fully thought-out creations of your mind. I guess you could think of it as either "complete" or "out from something", depending on the word. Another good counterexample is elĵeti - to throw out.SolidTux:So if provi means: to try, to attempt, to test, to try outTo me, "elprovi" indicates a more serious or thorough approach, perhaps involving multiple attempts or tests. "Provi" indicates a more general or casual approach or perhaps a one-time attempt or test.
and elprovi means: to try out, to test
In what instance would I choose one word over the other?
noelekim (프로필 보기) 2014년 1월 11일 오전 3:10:49
SolidTux:So if provi means: to try, to attempt, to test, to try outAs a prefix, el- can give a verb the meaning of "completely", "thoroughly", "fully", "to the very end". Some examples are:
and elprovi means: to try out, to test
In what instance would I choose one word over the other?
ellerni - to acquire a thorough knowledge of something; to master a subject
elteni - to withstand (literally, to hold on to the very end)
So you would choose "elprovi" if you want to say "test as thoroughly as possible" "... to the limit".
sudanglo (프로필 보기) 2014년 1월 11일 오후 12:29:40
To see the difference in usage go to the Tekstaro and enter prov\VF. That will find instances of the usage of provi and elprovi. To search for elprovi alone enter elprov\VF.
The \VF stands for any verbal ending -as -os -is -i -u.
By the way, note that English 'try' gets 3 translations in Esperanto: peni, provi and klopodi.
sudanglo (프로필 보기) 2014년 1월 11일 오후 12:50:17
Mi kredas ke tiu estas la malĝusta ŝlosilo - provu ĉi tiun.
Zamenhof ĉiam konsilis ke oni elprovu novaĵojn per la uzado. Oni ne povas fidi je lingva projekto, kiun la vivo ankoraŭ ne sufiĉe elprovis”.