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Difference between provi and elprovi?

viết bởi SolidTux, Ngày 10 tháng 1 năm 2014

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SolidTux (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 13:18:28 Ngày 10 tháng 1 năm 2014

So if provi means: to try, to attempt, to test, to try out
and elprovi means: to try out, to test

In what instance would I choose one word over the other?

Mustelvulpo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 13:56:41 Ngày 10 tháng 1 năm 2014

SolidTux:So if provi means: to try, to attempt, to test, to try out
and elprovi means: to try out, to test

In what instance would I choose one word over the other?
To me, "elprovi" indicates a more serious or thorough approach, perhaps involving multiple attempts or tests. "Provi" indicates a more general or casual approach or perhaps a one-time attempt or test.

kaŝperanto (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 17:17:29 Ngày 10 tháng 1 năm 2014

Mustelvulpo:
SolidTux:So if provi means: to try, to attempt, to test, to try out
and elprovi means: to try out, to test

In what instance would I choose one word over the other?
To me, "elprovi" indicates a more serious or thorough approach, perhaps involving multiple attempts or tests. "Provi" indicates a more general or casual approach or perhaps a one-time attempt or test.
I think I've seen that "el-" is supposed to convey that sense of thoroughness/completeness of action. That does leave me confused on elpensi - to think up, invent. Unless you take "think up" or "invent" as being fully thought-out creations of your mind. I guess you could think of it as either "complete" or "out from something", depending on the word. Another good counterexample is elĵeti - to throw out.

Nexar (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:29:02 Ngày 10 tháng 1 năm 2014

Elprovi sounds like prove out (completely)

noelekim (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 03:10:49 Ngày 11 tháng 1 năm 2014

SolidTux:So if provi means: to try, to attempt, to test, to try out
and elprovi means: to try out, to test

In what instance would I choose one word over the other?
As a prefix, el- can give a verb the meaning of "completely", "thoroughly", "fully", "to the very end". Some examples are:

ellerni - to acquire a thorough knowledge of something; to master a subject

elteni - to withstand (literally, to hold on to the very end)

So you would choose "elprovi" if you want to say "test as thoroughly as possible" "... to the limit".

sudanglo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:29:40 Ngày 11 tháng 1 năm 2014

The difference is not too far from the difference between try and try out.

To see the difference in usage go to the Tekstaro and enter prov\VF. That will find instances of the usage of provi and elprovi. To search for elprovi alone enter elprov\VF.

The \VF stands for any verbal ending -as -os -is -i -u.

By the way, note that English 'try' gets 3 translations in Esperanto: peni, provi and klopodi.

sudanglo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:50:17 Ngày 11 tháng 1 năm 2014

The assistant in a shoe shop might bring various pairs of shoes for you to try on (provi). When you get home you might go for a long walk in them to try them out (elprovi).

Mi kredas ke tiu estas la malĝusta ŝlosilo - provu ĉi tiun.

Zamenhof ĉiam konsilis ke oni elprovu novaĵojn per la uzado. Oni ne povas fidi je lingva projekto, kiun la vivo ankoraŭ ne sufiĉe elprovis”.

SolidTux (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 14:08:55 Ngày 14 tháng 1 năm 2014

Ah, it makes sense now. Thank you, everyone!

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