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Kio signifas "out-"?

by Grown, March 31, 2017

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Grown (User's profile) March 31, 2017, 11:32:36 AM

Kio signifas "out-"?

DuckFiasco (User's profile) April 6, 2017, 4:29:31 PM

Ĉu vi povas doni kelkajn ekzemplojn? La prefikso out- havas multe da variaj signifoj, sed plej ofte "super-" aŭ "preter-".

noelekim (User's profile) April 7, 2017, 4:03:40 AM

Malfermu https://eo.wiktionary.org/wiki/Vortaro_angla-Esper... , serĉu "out", regalu vin.

Mustelvulpo (User's profile) April 7, 2017, 1:44:41 PM

It seems to me that the meaning of the "out-" prefix varies greatly. It could be translated in various ways depending on the idea and I don't think a prefix equivalent to "out-" can be applied in many circumstances:

A human being can't outrun a cheetah- Homo ne povas kuri pli rapide ol gepardo.

No one will ever outwork me.- Neniu iam laboros pli forte ol mi.

What is the outlook for next year?- Kio (or Kia) estas la perspektivo por la venonta jaro?

What was the outcome of the game?- Kio estis la rezulto de la ludo?

This car outsold all others- Ĉi tiu aŭto pli bone vendiĝis ol ĉiuj aliaj.

Vestitor (User's profile) April 7, 2017, 9:43:13 PM

Mustelvulpo has it. So many words using 'out-' in English are compounded as single words anyway: outwit, outbid, outgrow, outmoded..etc,. These are similarly single-words in Esperanto, but not with a single prefix: superruzi, superproponi, preterkreski, eksmoda.

However the question is pretty threadbare, so who knows what the intention was.

Roch (User's profile) April 8, 2017, 12:55:31 AM

Supposing that the hyphen wasn't there I would have more understood the questionning... Meaning that something is out... kind of past of date...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Out

Grown (User's profile) April 8, 2017, 5:13:10 AM

"out-". As in "out-con", meaning to prey on a mark's dishonesty.

Vestitor (User's profile) April 8, 2017, 10:54:30 AM

That's a rather left-field example. And where is this compound defined because it's by no means standardised as such (it also means basically outdo or outwit in a game of wits). Outdo and outwit are far more common and even have clear Esperanto equivalents.

DuckFiasco (User's profile) April 12, 2017, 3:35:12 AM

I feel like "out-con" can be pejorative both on the person doing it and the victim, whereas outdo and outwit are neutral or even positive.

For that reason, I suggest a paraphrase.
The lawyer managed to out-con the conman. / La advokato sukcesis trompi la trompiston. (neutral/positive)
The lawyer out-conned even the mob boss. / La advokato prifriponis eĉ la mafiestron. (negative)

What do you think?

Grown (User's profile) April 13, 2017, 6:31:42 AM

I just wanted to know what you call turning someone's efforts against themselves by using that which in some way is there own methods, indeed such as preying on a mark's tendency toward deception.

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