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언어: English
Oŝo-Jabe (프로필 보기) 2009년 12월 16일 오후 10:59:47
darkweasel:Seriously: English does have a lot of grammar, really. Maybe in some dialects people don't obey it, but the grammar still exists and at least I as a foreign need to obey itSome dialects don't obey it? Dialects may lack prestige but they have just as much right to call themselves (and their grammar rules) English as the Queen's English. There isn't an "official" English, just what is spoken and what isn't.
KoLonJaNo (프로필 보기) 2009년 12월 16일 오후 11:04:41
Polaris:In what other language can I labor or work, perspire or sweat, constructed edifices or build buildings, look into church business or deal with ecclesiastical affairs...and I could go on and on and on.Well, it just depends on you being a learned Norman or an Anglo-Saxon peasant.
Kolonjano
ceigered (프로필 보기) 2009년 12월 17일 오전 6:47:20
KoLonJaNo:Well, it just depends on you being a learned Norman or an Anglo-Saxon peasant.In a way English is really a Germanic language with a hidden romance language inside it ("Anglese"
Kolonjano
) - well a romance language missing a whole lot of important words like the copula, adverbs, adjectives etc.Then again we could always steal them from distorted Anglo-Norman: Se vous comprehend me, tout y bon!
(se'vu:compre'hendmi:'tu:i'bon)
ceigered (프로필 보기) 2009년 12월 17일 오전 6:51:57
Oŝo-Jabe:I think he means that the standard grammar exists however many dialects either don't share that grammar or just ignore it, particularly colloquial dialects (e.g. street talk in downtown new york between two teenagers won't be anywhere near as grammatically correct as in a parliament (unless the topic involves abortion, climate change, or anything else which degenerates to name-calling)).darkweasel:Seriously: English does have a lot of grammar, really. Maybe in some dialects people don't obey it, but the grammar still exists and at least I as a foreign need to obey itSome dialects don't obey it? Dialects may lack prestige but they have just as much right to call themselves (and their grammar rules) English as the Queen's English. There isn't an "official" English, just what is spoken and what isn't.
ceigered (프로필 보기) 2009년 12월 18일 오전 6:21:35
Rogir:No sorry that was a reference to "ignoring" the grammar of whatever the regional standard is. Apologies for the ambiguity, I probably should have put quote marks around "as grammatically correct" :-/as grammatically correctI'm sorry, did you mean 'does not use the same grammar'?
Miland (프로필 보기) 2009년 12월 19일 오후 8:04:14
Francisko1 (프로필 보기) 2009년 12월 21일 오후 5:41:07
Getuls Francisko
Miland:English can certainly be a difficult language for people who haven't grown up with it. But Zamenhof found its grammar easier than Latin or Greek! In his letter to Borovko in the 1890s he wrote (and I translate): "The simplicity of the English language struck me, mainly thanks to the sharp transition to it from the grammars of Latin and Greek."
