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LANGUAGE WITHOUT GRAMMAR

od Francisko1, 14. decembra 2009

Príspevky: 21

Jazyk: English

Oŝo-Jabe (Zobraziť profil) 16. decembra 2009 22:59:47

darkweasel:Seriously: English does have a lot of grammar, really. Maybe in some dialects people don't obey it, but the grammar still exists and at least I as a foreign need to obey it okulumo.gif
Some dialects don't obey it? Dialects may lack prestige but they have just as much right to call themselves (and their grammar rules) English as the Queen's English. There isn't an "official" English, just what is spoken and what isn't.

KoLonJaNo (Zobraziť profil) 16. decembra 2009 23:04:41

Hello!

Polaris:In what other language can I labor or work, perspire or sweat, constructed edifices or build buildings, look into church business or deal with ecclesiastical affairs...and I could go on and on and on.
Well, it just depends on you being a learned Norman or an Anglo-Saxon peasant. okulumo.gif

Kolonjano

ceigered (Zobraziť profil) 17. decembra 2009 6:47:20

KoLonJaNo:Well, it just depends on you being a learned Norman or an Anglo-Saxon peasant. okulumo.gif

Kolonjano
In a way English is really a Germanic language with a hidden romance language inside it ("Anglese" lango.gif) - well a romance language missing a whole lot of important words like the copula, adverbs, adjectives etc.

Then again we could always steal them from distorted Anglo-Norman: Se vous comprehend me, tout y bon!
(se'vu:compre'hendmi:'tu:i'bon)

ceigered (Zobraziť profil) 17. decembra 2009 6:51:57

Oŝo-Jabe:
darkweasel:Seriously: English does have a lot of grammar, really. Maybe in some dialects people don't obey it, but the grammar still exists and at least I as a foreign need to obey it okulumo.gif
Some dialects don't obey it? Dialects may lack prestige but they have just as much right to call themselves (and their grammar rules) English as the Queen's English. There isn't an "official" English, just what is spoken and what isn't.
I think he means that the standard grammar exists however many dialects either don't share that grammar or just ignore it, particularly colloquial dialects (e.g. street talk in downtown new york between two teenagers won't be anywhere near as grammatically correct as in a parliament (unless the topic involves abortion, climate change, or anything else which degenerates to name-calling)).

Rogir (Zobraziť profil) 17. decembra 2009 14:42:59

as grammatically correct
I'm sorry, did you mean 'does not use the same grammar'?

RiotNrrd (Zobraziť profil) 18. decembra 2009 2:52:34

Wait. Order make and you put can't you just English mean any at words all still sentence have in sense the?

ceigered (Zobraziť profil) 18. decembra 2009 6:21:35

Rogir:
as grammatically correct
I'm sorry, did you mean 'does not use the same grammar'?
No sorry that was a reference to "ignoring" the grammar of whatever the regional standard is. Apologies for the ambiguity, I probably should have put quote marks around "as grammatically correct" :-/

Miland (Zobraziť profil) 19. decembra 2009 20:04:14

English can certainly be a difficult language for people who haven't grown up with it. But Zamenhof found its grammar easier than Latin or Greek! In his letter to Borovko in the 1890s he wrote (and I translate): "The simplicity of the English language struck me, mainly thanks to the sharp transition to it from the grammars of Latin and Greek."

Francisko1 (Zobraziť profil) 21. decembra 2009 17:41:07

Thank you very much because you (plural) answered. I am sorry because my english is very bad, but this theme is very interesting and important for me. At this time I am studing your answers and I will try answer soon. Thanks.

Getuls Francisko

Miland:English can certainly be a difficult language for people who haven't grown up with it. But Zamenhof found its grammar easier than Latin or Greek! In his letter to Borovko in the 1890s he wrote (and I translate): "The simplicity of the English language struck me, mainly thanks to the sharp transition to it from the grammars of Latin and Greek."

Vorsik (Zobraziť profil) 22. decembra 2009 14:48:15

RiotNrrd:Wait. Order make and you put can't you just English mean any at words all still sentence have in sense the?
I think I understood that, so maybe the answer to that question is yes.

Nahor