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jkph00 (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 13 Nyandagaro 2014 20:10:37

I am trying to express the idea of a plural "vi" in the phrase "to help your community." In Southern English I would write "y'all's community," or if I meant "y'all's community" on a big scale, I could write "all y'all's community." (Any Southerner immediately knows the difference) okulumo.gif .

Now, if I write "helpi al via komunumo," the plural nature of "vi" seems to me to get lost. I don't think saying "viaj komunumo" is possible. How do I express it?

Warmest thanks in advance for your help.

tommjames (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 13 Nyandagaro 2014 20:33:12

One possibility would be "helpi la komunumon de vi ĉiuj".

jkph00 (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 13 Nyandagaro 2014 20:54:21

tommjames:One possibility would be "helpi la komunumon de vi ĉiuj".
Just so. Thank you!

orthohawk (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 13 Nyandagaro 2014 23:27:01

jkph00:I am trying to express the idea of a plural "vi" in the phrase "to help your community." In Southern English I would write "y'all's community," or if I meant "y'all's community" on a big scale, I could write "all y'all's community." (Any Southerner immediately knows the difference) okulumo.gif .

Now, if I write "helpi al via komunumo," the plural nature of "vi" seems to me to get lost. I don't think saying "viaj komunumo" is possible. How do I express it?

Warmest thanks in advance for your help.

erinja (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 14 Nyandagaro 2014 02:02:58

Does it have to be so exclusive, as to say "via komunumo" - perhaps the solution would be to make it more inclusive and say "nia komunumo"?

As a northerner, though, I'm a non-user of y'all. I would assume that "via komunumo" is referring to everyone's community, not just to a single person's community. A community is not something that I ever think of as belonging to a single person.

morfran (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 14 Nyandagaro 2014 04:55:45

I think you’re OK with via komunumo, actually. Insofar as vi means “belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing”, it’s probably safe to say that anyone in the group you’re addressing will know that “your community” = “y’all’s community”, just as they would in standard American English.

jkph00 (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 16 Nyandagaro 2014 00:43:33

erinja:Does it have to be so exclusive, as to say "via komunumo" - perhaps the solution would be to make it more inclusive and say "nia komunumo"?

As a northerner, though, I'm a non-user of y'all. I would assume that "via komunumo" is referring to everyone's community, not just to a single person's community. A community is not something that I ever think of as belonging to a single person.
Erinja, I understand your thoughts, but in this case the difference is considerable. His community is in Tanzania. I live in West Virginia, USA. Hu. okulumo.gif

Bemused (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 19 Nyandagaro 2014 00:36:36

orthohawk:
jkph00:I am trying to express the idea of a plural "vi" in the phrase "to help your community." In Southern English I would write "y'all's community," or if I meant "y'all's community" on a big scale, I could write "all y'all's community." (Any Southerner immediately knows the difference) okulumo.gif .

Now, if I write "helpi al via komunumo," the plural nature of "vi" seems to me to get lost. I don't think saying "viaj komunumo" is possible. How do I express it?

Warmest thanks in advance for your help.
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