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How to say 'Polytechnic' in Esperanto?

viết bởi AmyDeerie, Ngày 31 tháng 5 năm 2014

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AmyDeerie (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:24:10 Ngày 31 tháng 5 năm 2014

Hi Everyone,

I am a student at a polytechnic, and I want to be able to say that i study at a polytechnic. I don't want to keep cheating and calling it university! Someone in the IM just said 'politeknika' is a questionable option. And in my mind, college/kolegio refers to highschool. Are there any terms for higher education that are not 'university'? Is there a form of 'institute of technology' which is often aka polytech?

What are your thoughts around this? Your help is greatly appreciated ridulo.gif

Rejsi (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:53:36 Ngày 31 tháng 5 năm 2014

I'd stick with just calling it a university. As Esperanto is intended to be an international language, we run into a lot of problems with things like this. You see, the types of educations differ throughout the entire world. I remember a while back when I was trying to look for a term for the American "high school," I found out just how different education is all around the world. How would one go about translating it? For the same type of education, some people would use "high school," "college," "secondary school," "middle school," "gymnasium," etc.

Even the term "polytechnic" seems to vary wildly in its usage. At least the word "university" is used somewhat universally. Just use "universitato" unless you plan to explain your terminology in depth.

michaleo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 06:42:03 Ngày 31 tháng 5 năm 2014

In Esperanto politekniko. I don't know whether it varies in other languages but in Polish it's politechnika.

Oijos (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 07:33:33 Ngày 31 tháng 5 năm 2014

According to PIVdE politekniko is Plej supera teĥnika lernejo. Is that what the English word polytechnic means? Can you tell me that?

If the school is not of the highest level there is, but still quite high, why not mezalta lernejo?

In any case kolegio doesn't refer to any kind of learning place. That's simply wrong use. It already has other meaning in Esperanto.

BoriQa (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 22:37:39 Ngày 31 tháng 5 năm 2014

how about one of these:

teknikarta instituto
teknikarta lernejo
teĥnikarta instituto
teĥnikarta lernejo

noelekim (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:45:49 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2014

In New Zealand at least, it's not a university unless "university" is in the title. So Auckland University of Technology (AUT) is a university but Unitec Institute of Technology is not.

I you attend Unitec, I would call it a politekniko, a long-established word meaning "Supera lernejo, en kiu oni instruas precipe teknikajn fakojn" (a tertiary institution which teaches mainly technical subjects) (1).

(1) www.reta-vortaro.de/revo/art/politeknik.html

AmyDeerie (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:53:22 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2014

Hi everyone, thank you for your input ridulo.gif never easy trying to translate education levels when it varies so much! For now, I may stick to university, at just until I get better and can explain it! #newbie

Noelekim, thanks for your explanation, I'll copy that down for future reference

Dankon pro via helpo!

erinja (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 02:44:23 Ngày 02 tháng 6 năm 2014

"teknika altlernejo" seems to be a suitable term, to me.

sparksbet (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 22:45:57 Ngày 07 tháng 6 năm 2014

Oijos:In any case kolegio doesn't refer to any kind of learning place. That's simply wrong use. It already has other meaning in Esperanto.
Could you please elaborate on this please? My copy of CEED says that kolegio can be used to mean an independent school or special group; the examples it gives are "Howard Community College" being "Komunuma Kolegio Howard" (which certainly is a lerning place), and "College of Cardinals" being "Kolegio de la Kardinaloj." The embedded Lernu dictionary seems to agree, defining "kolegio" as "en iuj landoj: mezlernejo aŭ parto de altlernejo; eklezia instanco." If the dictionary includes the word "lernejo" in its definition, how does the word not refer to a learning place of some kind? Mind you, I understand that "universitato" makes more sense for what most Americans call college, but I'm not sure if I'm misunderstand you or the dictionaries or both.

richardhall (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 22:55:50 Ngày 07 tháng 6 năm 2014

PIV gives 2 definitions for kolegio. The first is "Aro da personoj plenumantaj religian oficon: la kolegio de la pontifikoj, de la aŭguroj, de la kardinaloj". The 2nd definition, "Lernejo mezgrada (ekz-e en Francio) aŭ supera (ekz-e en Anglio)" is (it says) evitinda -- to be avoided.
However, searching the Tekstaro I see there's at least one place where Zamenhof used kolegio in just that way so maybe it's not clear-cut after all.

sparksbet:Could you please elaborate on this please? My copy of CEED says that kolegio can be used to mean an independent school or special group; the examples it gives are "Howard Community College" being "Komunuma Kolegio Howard" (which certainly is a lerning place), and "College of Cardinals" being "Kolegio de la Kardinaloj." The embedded Lernu dictionary seems to agree, defining "kolegio" as "en iuj landoj: mezlernejo aŭ parto de altlernejo; eklezia instanco." If the dictionary includes the word "lernejo" in its definition, how does the word not refer to a learning place of some kind? Mind you, I understand that "universitato" makes more sense for what most Americans call college, but I'm not sure if I'm misunderstand you or the dictionaries or both.

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