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Is this good grammar

av Alkanadi, 10 juni 2016

Meddelanden: 18

Språk: English

Alkanadi (Visa profilen) 10 juni 2016 11:16:13

I saw this text. Is it correct?

Kio nova?

Shouldn't it be Kio estas nova? or Kio novas?

Miland (Visa profilen) 10 juni 2016 13:07:58

It appears in Ondo de Esperanto. The context there is an advertisement for EAB's summer school: Do, kio nova? Ne eblas ĉion listigi sed jen gustumo: 15-kilometra promeno en la ĉirkaŭaĵo ..

I would regard it as conversational in tone, and so taking liberties which one might not take in something composed as literature (apart from conversation).

sudanglo (Visa profilen) 11 juni 2016 10:09:49

It's informal, but it seems fine to me.

Vestitor (Visa profilen) 11 juni 2016 10:23:45

And would this be so for similar constructions like: Kio vera?

Do they have any use outside of magazine headlines or slogans?

sudanglo (Visa profilen) 11 juni 2016 11:10:21

I think the model would have limited generalizability, Vestitor.

Perhaps not Kio vera?

You wouldn't want to say Kio vera? anymore than Kio blua?

Ĉu pli noble en la menso fronti al la ... aŭ ...?

Jen la Hamleta demando,

lagtendisto (Visa profilen) 11 juni 2016 11:59:11

Vestitor:Do they have any use outside of magazine headlines or slogans?
Why not? Its like German 'Hey, was geht?' = '(Hej,) kio nova?' = 'Kion de novaj aferoj okazis?' what is used in spoken conversation.

I could be wrong but Evildea(Youtube) C1-KER speaker seems to shorten lot like this. Spoken (Esperanto) language seems to be best practice of 'The principle of facultative precision' and 'Mut zur Lücke' (kuraĝo por metu breĉon).

nornen (Visa profilen) 11 juni 2016 18:21:54

sudanglo:I think the model would have limited generalizability, Vestitor.

Perhaps not Kio vera?

You wouldn't want to say Kio vera? anymore than Kio blua?

Ĉu pli noble en la menso fronti al la ... aŭ ...?

Jen la Hamleta demando,
I concur that this construction might not be generalized.

Maybe the author had the Latin "Quid novi" in mind, which seems to be quite a widespread expression.

Alkanadi (Visa profilen) 12 juni 2016 07:53:16

Would it be better to say:

Kio veras
Kio bluas
Kio novas

nornen (Visa profilen) 12 juni 2016 08:50:17

Alkanadi:Would it be better to say:

Kio veras
Kio bluas
Kio novas
I doubt that "kio nova" refers to "kio estas nova" or "kio novas". I suppose it means "kio nova okazas" or "kio nova estas". "Nova" being an attribute of "kio".

sudanglo (Visa profilen) 12 juni 2016 11:52:12

Maybe the author had the Latin "Quid novi" in mind
Or the French expression Quoi de neuf?

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